I’ve tanked heroics as a warrior where I did 40% of the damage. Makes the run take twice as long as it should.

But the truth of the matter is. It isn’t FAIR to the rest of the group. It makes the run take longer and increases the odds of a wipe. If someone doesn’t run a DPS meter it is hard for them to even know they are doing poorly, or to be able to try different rotations/gear and see improvement.

So thanks again, and I’m looking forward to the 10 steps to better dps post as well. I don’t have a guild serious enough to have a forum but I look forward to utilizing the principles you share to help push my buddies to be better.

One last thing, I tagged you in my blog to post your “sixth” screenshot…if you’re interested, we’d love to see it!

we had the same problem, but most people just didn’t research because they saw no gain for them in it. There were two things that helped: Posting dmg-meters (as old as it gets, but it is one thing for people to measure against), and confronting them “from behind” – like asking: “How much hit do you have on your gear?” and then just involving them in a discussion about it. It’s scary what opinions arise amongst some dpsers, and kind of sad to see how little they know. But bringing things to the table and just talking about them has been enough to make people curious.

We just cleared Naxxramas in about 3,5 hours, with everyone above 2.2k dps – and that’s only our third ID. Our forum discussion was of big help, too.

Regarding raid-schedules there was one big thing that got things going at our guild: Just ask in guild chat, or in the forum, then set up an ingame event. No discussions, no “trying to involve everyone”. People will either participate, or not. And the more often they do not, the more they want to join, because they see the others having fun.

Well, that worked for us. No idea if your situation is similar, or has other reasons why. Also, you might want to check out this post on WoWInsider about arche- and learningtypes – it’s very, very true and might help you to find ways to get through to people.

Other than that: If nothing works, you always have the opportunity tu turn down your commitment, too. Keep things as casual as they do, it’ll probably not make your runs more successful, but a lot more relaxed.

I have a gnome warrior that I use to tank for my circle of real life friends, and I’m having some issues trying to schedule 10 man runs as people don’t want to commit. Yet they all want to see end game content. I’m not sure how to approach it but keeping up a full time raiding hunter, along with trying to schedule, lead, main tank 10 mans is starting to make me feel a bit burnt out. I also have some folks who refuse to do any type of theory crafting to better themselves, so I’m constantly having to adjust our strategy to compensate for people who are in the 1200ish DPS range. (Their gear should put them over 2k easily.)

Any ideas for me to help motivate them to want to better themselves?